Open Invention Network

Events from the world of KolibriOS and its developers
  • First of all, OIN can provide additional promoting. Then it can guarantee patents safety: all OIN members have cross-licenses for all their patents.
  • I'm agree. :)
  • The sudden and strange interest. If someone shows interest, we must feel anxiety at first.
  • Mario, OIN is project of 400-500 companies such as IBM, Cisco, Canonical, Google, Mozilla and so on. This mail was forwared to me from Mike.dld, so I think this's because of ohloh.
  • Главное, чтобы потом не возникало вопросов вроде "А был ли мальчик?"
  • Sourcerer,
    Please wait for a while before acting, we all need to think first; some hidden rocks possible.
    I suspect (not sure yet) this might turn some commercial customers out of Kolibri due to uncertain proptietary restrictions.
  • SoUrcerer wrote:Your opinions?
    Move your non-profit software business to Iceland.
    What is Open Invention Network®?
    Open Invention Network’s mission is to further software innovation by acquiring patents to be used for cross-licensing purposes to defend the Linux System - making them available on a royalty-free basis.

    Why doesn’t Open Invention Network® just make all these patents available royalty-free to the entire public, or simply drop them?
    We are making the patents available royalty-free, and all we ask in return is that the licensee agrees not to assert its patents against Linux.
    I believe that they are all about Linux. So were will non compatible Kolibri will stick?
  • XVilka wrote:First of all, OIN can provide additional promoting. Then it can guarantee patents safety: all OIN members have cross-licenses for all their patents.
    Kolibri got patents ready to go? OIN members saw the code and decided they can patent something? Just asking.
  • Some counries don't let software/codes be patented, but пиндосы do. And as the matter of fact, US s/w patents may be enforced everywhere. We obviously don't have patents in KolibriOS, but a lot of bright ideas might be easily included to 3rd party proprietary codes and protected by US law -- without our permission.

    That is what we have now. Will the things go better (or worse) under OIN - who knows?
  • You make free soft in a free country (as a company not person) and you don't care if others get money for your ideas. First you extend your influence to the government of that country and then government extends influence to other countries. This is probably too ideal but this is the way to go.

    Anyway if you join make sure OIN protects not only linux but Kolibri as well. And I very much doubt that.
  • From: Dmitry The Sorcerer <sourcerer@bk.ru>
    Subject: Re[4]: Fwd: Invitation to join Open Invention Network

    Hello again.

    Some of our developers have expressed following concerns:

    1. Some counries don't let software/codes be patented, but some do. And as
    the matter of fact, US s/w patents may be enforced everywhere. We obviously
    don't have patents in KolibriOS, but a lot of bright ideas might be easily
    included to 3rd party proprietary codes and protected by US law -- without
    our permission. Is it true?

    2. KolibriOS isn't just another Linux distributive, it's stand-alone OS
    written entirely from scratch. If we join we should be sure OIN protects
    not only linux but Kolibri as well.

    3. All OIN members have cross-licenses for all their patents. OIN members
    saw the code and decided they can patent something in Kolibri?
    Hello Dmitry,

    Thank you for your note and questions.

    1) US patents can only be enforced in the US and you can only get a patent
    for what you created. There is a vigorous process in the US to show that
    the one who is seeking a patent truly created the invention. The patent
    examiners do a thorough search to find any "prior art" that would prove
    otherwise.

    2) The patent license you receive from OIN will cover anything that
    KolibriOS makes, uses or sells. The license you receive from the other OIN
    members would cover just the Linux System.

    3) Again, you can only patent what you created; not what you saw.

    Hope this helps.
  • Ответ на первый пункт это хуета. На Хабре рассматривалось - кто первый подал заявку тот и рулит, не важно кто потом изобретет и реализует технически. Примеры с Apple, Microsoft и прочими присутствуют. Остальные ответы вообще ни о чем. Я все еще не вижу никаких преимуществ от вступления в эту организацию - Koibri не дистрибутив Linux, а мистер ответивший не мыслит вне других категорий. Есть вероятность, что он просто выполняет план - собрать как можно больше проектов под крыло, чтобы было потом что предъявлять собственным инвесторам.
  • The patent license you receive from OIN will cover anything that
    KolibriOS makes, uses or sells.
    Ну допустим. Тут фишка в том что этих патентов у OIN ограниченое кол-во. Подавляющее кол-во патентов у IBM,Samsung,Microsoft ... ещё куча .... Я думаю вы сами понимаете. (Вдобавок, слово "anything" абсолютная фигня.)

    А у разработчиков Kolibri есть деньги патентовать? Если нету то вам могут дать но заставят что нибуть подписать в обмен. Добро пожаловать в конкурентную капиталистическую семью.
    Mario wrote:Ответ на первый пункт это хуета. На Хабре рассматривалось - кто первый подал заявку тот и рулит, не важно кто потом изобретет и реализует технически.
    Верно. А если не согласен то всегда можно опротестовать на нашем свободно шаре. Но надо денег. Много.
    US patents can only be enforced in the US
    Допустим. Но тогда все немногочисленые патены которые лично OIN даёт действуют только в штатах. Ха ха.

    А может OIN просто не готова защищать в других странах. Ну, знаете ... деньги дополнительные на это надо.
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